we are going -- the fiscal cliff is a slow decline compared to the regulatory cliff we're facing next year. megyn: simon, i don't really understand the water and the runoff -- >> me neither, megyn. [laughter] megyn: okay, it's bad for the worms, i guess, okay, that's fine. but here's what got my attention. the democratic-led board of supervisors joined with ken cucinelli, i mean, the very conservative attorney general of virginia. that's a very strange pair of bed fellows to get together against the epa. what do you make of it? >> all politics are local, i guess, megyn. listen, i am not an expert in worms and water, in this, so it's hard for me -- megyn: but if you had to choose, would you go for the worms or the people? >> i do want to say we actually preparing for the segment i did a little bit of homeworker, and what is we are told by various lawyers involved in this is there's no possibility of homes being removed in this process. so that's a little bit of an overstatement by mr. cucinelli to sort of gin up the opposition to this effort. but clearly, the two sides are going to hav